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Eastland Mall in east Bloomington sits as a 732,651-square-foot monument to the evolving retail shopping model.

BLOOMINGTON — Online shopping. Bankruptcies and portfolio downsizing. Looting. An infectious disease pandemic.

Bloomington-Normal’s brick-and-mortar retail industry has weathered a range of shifts in consumer behavior and economic pressures in the last decade.

The once-vibrant mall culture has tarnished into darkened shopfronts and cracked parking lots. Store liquidation and “space for lease” signs are more common than grand opening banners. Smartphone apps and next-day shipping have replaced the seasonal catalog.


Rochelle Cantero, of Bloomington, and son Ross Leuty, 9, shop at Target in the Shoppes at College Hills on Wednesday.


Eastland Mall — the 732,651-square-foot east Bloomington monument to that ongoing paradigm shift — reported a 24% vacancy rate at the end of 2020.

But during a recent visit, The Pantagraph counted 40 tenants and 36 vacancies, totaling a vacancy rate of 48%.

“The mall culture has definitely been on the decline for a long time,” Rachelle Cantero, 44, of Bloomington, said after a trip this week to the east Normal Target. “It’s sad, for me, to see Eastland Mall in the state that it’s in.”

The slow bleed at Eastland certainly reflects a national trend at indoor malls.


Ardis Stewart of Normal shops at Hobby Lobby on Wednesday. She said the outdoor layout at the Shoppes at College Hills fits her style of shopping.


Real estate industry data for June, compiled by property consultancy Jones Lang LaSalle, shows that vacancy rates at U.S. indoor malls could top 10% by the end of 2021. In 2010, that figure was at 5%.

“Pandemic aside, malls have been transforming over the last several years to add new uses, and that trend will continue moving forward,” said Stacey Keating, senior director of public relations and corporate communications for CBL Properties, Eastland’s parent company based in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

But the national data also shows a positive trend: Outdoor shopping centers and “power centers,” or open-air shopping plazas anchored by big-box retailers and smaller tenants, are performing well, with vacancy rates of 7%.

That’s the case in Bloomington-Normal, too, according to a Pantagraph analysis which found that more than a dozen shopping centers, plazas, strip malls and outdoor retail variations carry a combined average vacancy rate of about 25%.

Local property managers said that’s indicative of an overall shift in the retail industry, wherein smaller shopping centers lining commercial corridors — built when there was no space at Eastland — are now the dominant model.

“Businesses are becoming increasingly savvy about site selection,” said Jack Fahler, senior property manager of M&J Wilkow, which owns Normal’s outdoor mall, The Shoppes at College Hills. “Many are seeking open-air shopping centers as the ideal location of the business, whether it’s an entirely new location or a relocation of their existing store.”
Eastland Mall’s fall

When Eastland Mall opened in 1966, the massive indoor shopping center served as a regional retail destination that would also generate jobs and tax revenue.

It symbolized a model in the retail industry, wherein smaller beauty, fashion and food businesses shared customers with juggernaut department stores under the same roof.


Sears at Eastland Mall, Bloomington, will close in November.


In 2002, the mall reported a vacancy rate of 2%, bolstered by five anchor stores — Sears, J.C. Penney, Bergner’s, Famous-Barr and Kohl’s.

But within a few years, as the Twin Cities and its economy swelled, so too did the competition for local consumers. What’s more, larger national economic forces weighed on corporate and chain retailers with a local presence.

The first domino fell in 2017, when Macy’s, which took over Famous-Barr, became the first anchor to close at the mall. That move was part of a wave of 100 Macy’s store closings that year across the United States.


In this Dec. 4, 2018, file photo, black plastic sheets cover the doors of the former Macy’s at Eastland Mall in Bloomington.


Six months later, J.C. Penney announced the Bloomington store would shutter alongside 137 others.

In April 2018, Bergner’s announced it would leave the mall, after assets of its bankrupt parent company, Bon-Ton Stores, were sold to liquidators. Four months later, Sears gave notice that its doors would permanently close by the end of the year.

That series of pullouts left Kohl’s as the mall’s main anchor, alongside a collection of mid-sized retailers like Old Navy and ULTA Beauty, and fitness chain Planet Fitness.

In the three years since the carveout, a number of other staple Eastland stores — Payless Shoes, Charlotte Russe, Christopher & Banks and H&M — all announced closures because their individual parent companies liquidized after declaring bankruptcy.

The mall’s food court, added in a 1980s expansion, now hosts just three restaurants: Gloria Jean’s Coffees, Kobe Japanese Steak & Seafood and Pretzelmaker. Great Steak, a national restaurant chain specializing in cheesesteak sandwiches, was evicted in July for unpaid rent.

Eastland Mall

Eastland Mall in Bloomington remains open and is the last of the big indoor malls in the area.


Ultimately, in the fall of 2020, amid the opening acts of the coronavirus pandemic, Eastland’s parent company, CBL Properties, itself filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
Eastland Mall’s future

Filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission show that CBL continues to report a loss on impairment for Eastland. For the first quarter of 2021, that figure was at $13,243, according to SEC filings.

Keating said both sales and customer traffic at the mall are rebounding and returning to pre-pandemic levels.

Eastland mall

A contractor enters Eastland Mall in Bloomington to do maintenance work in December.

DAVID PROEBER, Pantagraph file photo

“I think if the pandemic taught us anything, it’s how much people value the experience and socialization that brick-and-mortar shopping centers offer,” Keating said. “Online shopping has certainly grown, and the pandemic fueled some of that, but once our malls were allowed to reopen, we saw traffic start to rebound quickly.”

When asked about vacancies at the mall, Keating said management has seen an uptick in interest in available properties, mostly from local and regional business owners.

A Bloomington-based women’s boutique, Sugar Baby Muahh, is opening Oct. 25.

But Keating said the “traditional mall” model of a complex “anchored by several department stores and consisting of a primarily retail mix inside are gone.”

What’s emerging, she said, “is a more dynamic, vibrant destination that offers customers not just retail, but dining, entertainment, fitness, and other uses.”

Empire Crossing

Dick’s Sporting Goods is one of the major anchor stores at Empire Crossing, 1609 E. Empire St. in Bloomington.


Open-air shopping the new norm

That revised model is especially popular across Bloomington-Normal’s major commercial corridors, which feature a collection of strip malls, power centers and shopping plazas.

The six properties owned and leased by Tentac Enterprises — Brookridge Center, Eastland Commons, Eastland Square, Market Square and Prospect Center in Bloomington, and University Center in Normal — all have limited vacancies.

And larger centers like Empire Crossing, which hosts retailers like Dick’s Sporting Goods, PetSmart and HomeGoods, has a 29% vacancy rate, with one anchor vacancy and four smaller openings. The nearby former Shell gas station is also up for grabs.


Redbox Entertainment Acquires U.S. Distribution Rights to Action Thriller Movie Vendetta

LOS ANGELES, September 17, 2021–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Redbox Entertainment, the original content division of Redbox, today announced it has acquired U.S. distribution rights to the action-thriller movie Vendetta. Written and directed by Jared Cohn (The Horde), Vendetta features an all-star cast that includes Golden Globe-winning actor Bruce Willis (Die Hard), Clive Standen (Taken), Thomas Jane (The Last Son), Theo Rossi (Army of the Dead), and Mike Tyson (The Hangover). The film will premiere in 2022 and is expected to have a limited theatrical run and be available day-and-date On Demand.

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‘Vendetta’ is an action-thriller movie from Redbox Entertainment which will make its debut in 2022. Shown here (L-R) is Theo Rossi and Bruce Willis in a scene from the film. (Credit: Redbox Entertainment).

When his daughter is murdered, William Duncan (Standen) takes the law into his own hands, setting out on a quest for retribution. After killing the street thug responsible for her death, he finds himself in the middle of a war with the thug’s brother (Rossi), father (Willis), and their gang, who are equally hell-bent on getting even. What ensues is a tense back-and-forth game of vengeance. By the end, William comes to find that the quest for revenge never has a winner.

“We’re always on the lookout for films that have engrossing storylines and casts that will bring those stories to life,” said Galen Smith, CEO, Redbox. “Vendetta has all those elements and it will have audiences on the edge of their seats when it premieres next year.”

Vendetta is produced by Amar Balaggan (William, Past Never Dies), Benjamin Rappaport (Drone, The Last Word) and Ross Mrazek (The Swearing Jar, The Butterfly Effect 3) of B.A.R. None Productions and Corey Large (Cosmic Sin, It Follows, The November Man, Lone Survivor) of 308 Enterprises in association with Vector Film Services, Media Capital Group, and T.N.G. Capital Corp.

Willis is represented by C.A.A. and Ziffren Brittenham, Standen by Management 360, C.A.A. and Ziffren Brittenham, Tyson by Paradigm Talent Agency, Jane by Paradigm Talent Agency and Ziffren Brittenham, and Rossi by Management 360, Paradigm Talent Agency and Schrech Rose Dapello Adams Berlin & Dunham.

The deal was negotiated by Marc Danon of Redbox Entertainment and Brian O’Shea of The Exchange.

About Redbox

Redbox is America’s leading destination for affordable new-release movies and entertainment with more ways to watch than any other home entertainment provider. Redbox delivers value and convenience through unparalleled choice across content, platforms, rental and purchase options, and price points. The company recently announced a definitive agreement to combine with Seaport Global Acquisition Corp. (Nasdaq: “SGAM,” “SGAMU,” and “SGAMW”), a publicly traded special purpose acquisition company. The transaction, which will result in Redbox becoming a publicly traded company, is expected to accelerate Redbox’s ongoing transformation to offer customers and partners a multi-product experience across physical and digital channels. The company’s expanding streaming offering includes digital rental and purchase as well as free live T.V. and free On Demand content and complements Redbox’s nationwide footprint of entertainment kiosks, conveniently located where consumers already shop. Redbox Entertainment, a new content acquisition and production division, has further transformed Redbox into a multi-channel content provider. For more information, visit

About The Exchange

Collaborative and transparent, The Exchange is a leading international sales, finance and production company committed to creating strong relationships between filmmakers, film financiers and distributors through the exchange of product, information and commerce. Created by veteran sales executive Brian O’Shea, the company specializes in high quality, commercial films that appeal to North American audiences and the ever-evolving global film market. For more information


Newa Post:Tesla to reverse solar price hikes for some customers

Tesla, Inc. solar customers who were hit with price hikes earlier this year may be able to get their original rates back, according to a Thursday court document.

The filing with the U.S. district court in San Jose, Calif., on behalf of customer Matthew Amans and “all similarly situated individuals,” says that Tesla’s lawyers informed the plaintiffs’ lawyers that the company had recently launched a program for customers who signed Solar Roof contracts before the April 2021 price changes to “return those customers to their original pricing.”


“Plaintiffs’ counsel have requested additional details and advised counsel for Tesla that they believe settlement discussions should commence immediately in order to consider, clarify and formalize certain terms of relief,” the lawyers wrote.

According to Business Insider, Amans’ class-action case filed against Tesla in May came after he was slammed with a $75,000 price hike ahead of the roof’s installation.

The outlet reported at the time that Amans had ordered a Solar Roof for his home in 2020 and signed a contract in March 2021 when he agreed to pay nearly $72,000, however – in April – Tesla then sent him an email saying it was raising the price.


When Amas logged into his account, he saw the new price was $146,462.22, Business Insider said.

Other suits shared similar claims over Solar Roof contracts with Tesla.

GLJ Research CEO Gordon Johnson joins FOX Business’ Charlie Gasparino to discuss Elon Musk’s legal woes.

Tesla’s website says the company has installed the equivalent of 10 million traditional solar panels across 400,000 roofs.


Purchase of the roof requires customers to order the Powerwall home battery as well.

However, in July, Vox reported that Tesla co-founder and CEO Elon Musk admitted that the company would not be able to make enough of the batteries due to the ongoing microchip shortage.



Zero1 USA pro wresting to return Saturday in Mattoon | Entertainment

Zero 1 USA professional wrestling plans to hold a “Homecoming” event Saturday night as it returns to Burgess-Osborne Memorial Auditorium for the first time since before the COVID-19 outbreak began.

“We are beyond ecstatic over our return to our home fan base,” said Zero 1 USA promoter David Cavazos of Mattoon in a press release.

The matches will include former Zero 1 USA junior heavyweight champion Victor Analog vs. Anakin Murphy, veteran DaCobra vs. newcomer Devonte Knox, former tag team champions Jordan Perry and Joey O’Riley of “The Lowlifes” vs. newcomers “The Young Goats,” world heavyweight champion Camaro Jackson vs. “The Monster Justin Kyle, and former world heavyweight champion Jake Dirden vs. Connelly.

After a year and a half in the dark, the curtains will soon rise once again here in Philadelphia with a big “welcome back” celebration happening Saturday on the Avenue of the Arts.

The idea of live performances returning to our stages is emotional for audiences and the artists too. The Philadelphia Orchestra just started rehearsals Friday.

On Saturday, they will be providing one of 50 free, live performances at Arts Launch 2021, the big grand reopening event at the Kimmel Cultural Campus.

It’s a big moment and one we’ve been waiting 18 months for.

“There’s nothing like being home,” said Matías Tarnopolsky, the President & CEO of The Philadelphia Orchestra & Kimmel Center. “When the orchestra started rehearsing today, it brought tears to my eyes. This is profoundly moving. It’s actually really hard to put into words.”

Just in time for Saturday’s big event, the “I Heart Philly” sculpture was installed in front of the Kimmel Cultural Campus.

It was first installed in LOVE Park in 2019 for a welcome event, and now it’s back for Arts Launch 2021, where it will stay through the end of October.

“We’re welcoming people back to the Avenue of the Arts. We are welcoming people back to live performances. We’re welcoming people back to the city,” said Kelly Lee, the Chief Cultural Officer for the City of Philadelphia. “That’s what ‘I Heart Philly’ represents. It’s a welcoming statue, it represents all cultures and all types of creativity.”

Everyone is invited to place stickers representing their culture and heritage on the heart

“Definitely stand by the space sculpture, get your picture taken,” said Lee. “If you have a sticker that represents your culture, or the way you like to create, put it on the heart. That’s what it’s for. We want that heart to represent all of Philadelphia.”

Arts Launch 2021 is happening Saturday, September 18th from 11am to 4pm with 50 free performances across the Kimmel Cultural Campus.

Cavazos said their main event will be the culmination of a “feud that is over two years in the making” with the junior heavyweight championship on the line.

“Jake Lander and Jimmy Karryt have faced each other in nearly every type of scenario conceivable, and nearly killed each other last month at the Decatur Civic Center in a four-way ladder match,” Cavazos said. “But on Saturday, they will do it one more time. No gimmicks. The championship can only change hands by pin fall or submission.”

Cavazos said front row tickets are sold out and a limited amount of general admission tickets remain available via The doors will open at 6 p.m. and the matches will start at 7 p.m. at the auditorium, 1701 Wabash Ave.

Contact Rob Stroud at 217-238-6861.


News:Pitch perfect? Quad Tank Competition, business summit scheduled Oct. 20 in Orange

Before the pitch competition, though, the summit features Doll, a serial entrepreneur with a knack for networking.

Passionate about business growth, sales, and female empowerment, Doll, based in Culpeper, has helped companies across the globe boost their sales and revenue.

“I have worked with a professional remote team for 18 years now, and we just love taking on new projects and making them a success,” she says. “My major focus is helping small start-ups grow into something bigger. I’m here to guide entrepreneurs and business owners in realizing their goals and dreams. There’s no easy path to success but if you learn to enjoy the journey and have a helping hand (or two) along the way, it makes the end result even sweeter.”

“She’s very enthusiastic and energetic with a very outgoing personality,” Deal said of Doll. “Those who listen to her speak will learn what it takes to start a business, what to do if you get stuck and discover what resources are out there to help.

“After hearing her, I think people are going to be energized, and that’s something businesses especially need after the last 18 months,” Deal said.

Following Doll’s keynote address, a panel of local business owners will conduct a question-and-answer session with summit participants.

Panelists include: Peter Rice, chair of BoxInBoxOut in Madison; Andrew Mavraganis, COO and CFO of Spire Collective in Fluvanna County; and Shannon Horton, general manager of Horton Vineyards in Orange County.


Lakeview Hardware, a staple Battle Creek business for 87 years, is closing

With one week to go before closing up shop for good, Kerrie Redner stayed busy Friday assisting customers inside Lakeview Hardware at 660 Capital Ave. S.W.

Redner, who co-owns the business with her brother-in-law, Craig Walters, said the daily interactions with customers made their joint decision to retire difficult, but the pair are ready to spend more time enjoying their grandchildren.

“It’s definitely bittersweet,” Redner said. “Both Craig and I have been here over 40 years. I’m hearing people say, ‘Congratulations, you finally get to retire. We’ll miss you and understand what is going on.’ It’s a difficult time with the pandemic and everything, it’s an unusual time for retail. We had some big supply chain issues when we opened up before. I think we’re excited, looking forward to the next chapter of what we are going to do.”

One of over 4,500 independently-owned franchises of True Value Co., Lakeview Hardware has deep roots in the Lakeview business district. Redner and Walters, owners since 1999, have long sought a buyer willing to continue operating it as a home improvement business.

Due in large part to supply chain issues created by the pandemic, the pair decided to close Lakeview Hardware for five months before reopening in April, with the continued intent of selling the business for undisclosed terms.

“We tried to sell it for the last couple of years and not really had any interest or interest where nothing that came to fruition,” Redner said. “This certainly wasn’t what we hoped would happen. We hoped somebody from the community would step forward, purchase the store and carry the history forward. We have to do something. It’s time for us to retire.”

Charles Parrott started Parrott Hardware at 639 Capital Ave. S.W. in 1933 and built the current two-story brick building several lots over in 1938. It later became Snyder-Meacham Hardware (Jay Snyder and Raymond Meacham) in 1940, and then Lakeview Hardware Supply after Harry Wagner and Frank B. Nash purchased it in 1946. Boyd Redner took over in 1977, when his daughter, Kerrie, and Walters began working there as teenagers.

“It’s been an ongoing business for a long time,” Walters said. “It’s been a real hard decision to make. We had the store for sale for quite a while, and with COVID and everything, nothing was going to change.

“It was absolutely a fabulous run. A great thing for our family — our kids all worked for us, their friends — and it’s really been a nice community to be a part of and work with.”

The last day of business for Lakeview Hardware is Friday. After that, all the remaining inventory will be sold at auction in mid-September, and the building will also be sold at auction if the minimum bid is met. The date of the auction has not yet been finalized, with updates provided on the Lakeview Hardware Facebook page.

Walters said that along with the customers, he would miss working on the hardwood floors that date back to the 1960s.

“If I had to work on concrete I wouldn’t be able to walk now,” he joked. “It was a great building and we had a great stand in that little business community in Lakeview.”

Redner added, “We’re definitely an anchor here in Lakeview. Hopefully we can sell the building and we can go forward with a business that can continue to anchor the neighborhood.”


New James Bond movie sets September world premiere

The world premiere for the new James Bond movie “No Time To Die” will take place on Sept. 28, the official Bond Twitter account said on Friday.

The announcement appeared to counter speculation in entertainment media that the movie’s release might be delayed again because of a surge in coronavirus cases in some parts of the world.

(This story has not been edited by Devdiscourse staff and is auto-generated from a syndicated feed.)


Surprise! Scarlett Johansson, Colin Jost welcome baby boy | Entertainment

Scarlett Johansson is a mom to two now. The “Black Widow” star recently gave birth to a son, Cosmo, with husband Colin Jost, the “Saturday Night Live” star wrote on Instagram Wednesday. This is the first child for the couple, who were married last October.

“Ok, OK, we had a baby. His name is Cosmo. We love him very much,” was Jost’s brief note.

People magazine first reported the birth of the baby, which came as a shock to many since news of the pregnancy came out only days earlier after Jost reportedly mentioned it in a stand-up set in Connecticut. No other details were provided.

It’s the first child for Jost, 39, who is known for hosting “Weekend Update” on “Saturday Night Live.” Johansson, 36, also has a 6-year-old daughter, Rose, from a previous marriage to Romain Dauriac.

Jost wrote on his Instagram page that privacy would be greatly appreciated and directed “all inquires” to “our publicist @chethinks,” tagging his “Weekend Update” co-host, Michael Che.

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R&B trio After 7 takes care of ‘Business’ with new album

Since first hitting the music charts back in 1989 – then topping them with hits like “Ready Or Not” and “Can’t Stop” – Grammy-nominated vocal trio After 7 has been a constant presence at R&B radio.


But according to founding member Keith Mitchell, longevity wasn’t even the goal.


“Absolutely, positively not,” Mitchell said, laughing. “We were so green coming into this business, we were so humble to even get the opportunity because people thought we were a lot younger than we were. We really weren’t that young. We looked like we were 22, 23 years old, but actually we started out at 30. So, we were so green and so new to the business that we were just so excited to be here and to get the opportunity.”


And After 7 is still creating hits; current single “Bittersweet” is riding the charts and generating major heat on the radio. The song is taken from the group’s latest album, titled “Unfinished Business.”


“We went in there with the idea that we’ve got something to say,” says newest member Danny McClain. “We’ve got something to show everybody. Especially during the time of the pandemic, when things were going crazy…it seems like everybody was looking for something that could make them feel good.  You had a lot of people trying to find some new music, but a lot of new music was not being released.”


“Unfinished Business” also serves as a tribute to founding member Melvin Edmonds, who passed away in 2019.


“Absolutely,” says the late group member’s brother, Kevon.  “Undoubtedly Melvin has a place. So, he’s not here with us physically, [but] he’s here with us and he was there with us in the process of recording. He is a part in this whole project and I think you’ll get a sense of that once you listen to this whole record.”


“Unfinished Business” is set for release on Friday, Aug. 20; to pre-order the album and read more about After 7, click here.

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How Netflix Is Changing the Entertainment Industry

first began its worldwide expansion in 2016, the streaming service has rewritten the playbook for global entertainment — from TV to film, and soon, to video games.

Global hit series and movies were once nearly all made in Hollywood and exported internationally. Now, thanks to Netflix’s investments in international TV and film, programming from Spain, India, Brazil, and Korea is finding massive audiences around the world.

Netflix figured out that to thrive on an international stage it needed both mass-market programming like “Stranger Things,” as well as local content like “Lupin,” “Money Heist,” and “Sacred Games” that could grab viewers in specific markets.

Read more about how Netflix’s strategy for buying international TV shows is changing, according to producers who have worked with the streamer and its rivals

The strategy helped the streaming service grow its customer base to 209 million paid subscribers globally, as of June.

Its momentum is also reinvigorating production in places like Germany, Mexico, and India, as companies like Disney, WarnerMedia, Apple, Amazon follow Netflix’s lead.

Read more about how Netflix’s global focus is changing international production markets

Netflix has reoriented its leadership around its new global model.

The streaming company, cofounded by tech entrepreneur Reed Hastings, promoted content chief Ted Sarandos to co-CEO in 2020, which cemented the importance of content within the organization. Meanwhile, Bela Bajaria, who had been in charge of international non-English TV, took the reins of the overall TV business, and product chief Greg Peters took on additional duties as COO, including streamlining how global teams work together.

View our full interactive chart of Netflix’s top leaders

The company has also formed an elite team of 23 interdisciplinary execs to help make its biggest decisions. Known internally as the “Lstaff ” — the “L” stands for leadership — the group sits between the company’s officers and its larger executive staff of vice presidents and above, who are called the “Estaff.”

Read more about Netflix’s elite ‘Lstaff’ of 23 execs that helps the company make its most important decisions
Netflix’s is searching for its next frontier

Still, Netflix is facing more competition than ever from an influx of rivals that are learning to play its game.

Nearly every major media company, from Disney to WarnerMedia, now runs a streaming service. Their platforms are stockpiled with tentpole movies and TV shows that used to only be found in theaters or on linear TV, and their libraries now rival Netflix’s.

The competition is pushing the streaming giant to continue to evolve.

Netflix recently expanded its efforts into podcasting and even started pedaling merchandise for series like “Lupin.”

In July, the company confirmed plans to offer video games on its subscription service.

It hired Mike Verdu, the former head of Facebook Reality Labs, as its vice president of game development and is currently hiring for video-game-related jobs.

Read more about what Netflix’s video-game roles reveal about its strategy

Netflix plans to approach gaming like it did movies and TV shows. It’ll start off slowly, commissioning and licensing titles based on existing franchises like “Stranger Things” or “Bridgerton.” Then, it will begin to experiment with other kinds of video-game storytelling, like it did with its original series.

“Maybe someday we’ll see a game that spawns a film or a series,” Peters told investors in July. “That would be an amazing place to get to and really see the rich interplay between these sort of different forms of entertainment.”